Avernic defender hilt

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Should you receive the Avernic defender hilt back when disassembling an Avernic defender?

No, just return the defender and destroy the hilt (like OSRS)
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63%
Yes, return both the defender and the hilt
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Total votes: 43

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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Iron adam » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:13 am

If the hilt disappears when disassembling the defender, people are less likely to disassemble it. This leads to less dragon defenders in game. This leads to higher prices for a dragon defender. In my opinion this is a bad thing. It would be a negative effect of making the hilt disappear. It is very relevant to this post.

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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Lieven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:45 pm

Iron adam wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:13 am
If the hilt disappears when disassembling the defender, people are less likely to disassemble it. This leads to less dragon defenders in game. This leads to higher prices for a dragon defender. In my opinion this is a bad thing. It would be a negative effect of making the hilt disappear. It is very relevant to this post.
The decrease in ddefenders would be accounted for with an item that literally does the same thing. No one PKs so players are basically always going to use their BiS gear everywhere. No one PKs in general so it wont lead to an even bigger decrease in the use of a ddef. It's not like the item wont be used. It will have very little effect aside from people buying a defender for a ridiculous price because they got the hilt as a drop so they can get it quickly. That won't change if the ddef is 40m or 400m.

It's like saying we were going to have a whip-crisis because of the kraken being released back in the day. The lack of ddefs has nothing to do with the HILT being destroyed or not.

It's an entirely different issue and bitching about different issues, making them appear as real issues for the upcoming content, is only postponing its release. Be happy that this content is nearing it's completion to begin with. This is a treat for the high tiered PVMers to keep them sweet and give the new players a goal to work towards. Once that's done, we can bitch about stuff for new players when it's the topic of the discussion
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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Troll n roll » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:06 pm

Ddef is supposed to be meta for veng pking, but no one uses it because of the accessibility. I feel like this topic has been talked about before in the "pking committee" group, but it should just be dropped from warriors guild.
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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Slap a ho » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:00 am

Iron adam wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:13 am
If the hilt disappears when disassembling the defender, people are less likely to disassemble it. This leads to less dragon defenders in game. This leads to higher prices for a dragon defender. In my opinion this is a bad thing. It would be a negative effect of making the hilt disappear. It is very relevant to this post.
I think this is being extreme. It would take a few variables before it becomes a real issue:
  • Players making multiple avernic defenders for some stupid reason (PKing possibly (add the broken untradeable system pls))
  • Time - current playerbase most definitely will not drive the cost of a dragon defender up that much without the first variable occurring, as well as needing years for enough avernics to be in game to potentially have an impact on dragon defender prices. Even at that, you can guarantee the amount of dragon defenders in game vs. the amount of avernics in game, dragon defenders will always have a much larger traded volume than avernics.
Anyways, my opinion is while the dragon defender is dropped from KQ and remains as a high priced tradeable, let avernic and the dragon defender both remain in game when disassembled.

If the avernic is made so it disappears upon being disassembled, no right minded person would dare disassemble it. At the release of ToB, we definitely don’t need items leaving the game. Get them into the game, get the prices stabilized.

Additionally, what needs to happen is dragon defenders need to be moved from KQ over to cyclops. Dragon defenders should either be made untradeable or remain as a tradeable item, but the price needs to drop a substantial amount.

If made untradeable, the broken upon death system should be added and avernic should revert to being destroyed on disassembly. There’s no reason for anyone to have more than 1 avernic unless they’re PKing above lvl 30 wilderness. This way, avernics will continue to be traded to players who need them, rather than players hoarding them for whatever reason, unless they’re a deep wildly pker where it would make sense.

If dragon defenders are left tradeable, then let the hilt be removeable without being destroyed. Or, make avernic defender tradeable as well. It doesn’t make sense to have some defenders tradeable and others not.
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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Keiler05 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:03 am

Iron adam wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:45 pm
Damn you guys are insane. We don’t need item sinks. Just let people disassemble and keep both. Dragon defenders are already unreasonably rare. I don’t understand the obsession this community has with punishing players for playing the game.
Yes!!! This has been my gripe for a long time. Nerf Nerf Nerf.. make everything harder than it needs to be... While at the same time player base remains stagnant or drops. People have busier lives/kids etc.

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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Iron adam » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:13 am

Keiler05 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:03 am
Iron adam wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:45 pm
Damn you guys are insane. We don’t need item sinks. Just let people disassemble and keep both. Dragon defenders are already unreasonably rare. I don’t understand the obsession this community has with punishing players for playing the game.
Yes!!! This has been my gripe for a long time. Nerf Nerf Nerf.. make everything harder than it needs to be... While at the same time player base remains stagnant or drops. People have busier lives/kids etc.
Yep. When you need to balance something, that is one thing. But punishing people just for the sake of punishing them is stupid.

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Re: Avernic defender hilt

Post by Kenneth » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:14 am

Add the warriors guild for access to dragon defenders, upon dismantling the Avernic defender the dragon defender gets destroyed and keeping the hilt. Making the Avernic defender a untradable item that needs to be repaired upon death
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This way players can use the Avernic defender as a best inslot for pking without adding a 8-10b risk while at the same time making the dragon defender more accessible to new players looking to begin pking.

The dragon defender imo should be an untradable item aswell
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